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Post by r0b1et on Mar 8, 2012 5:33:30 GMT -5
I hate them, I want them out lawed, My game will have a method to make them in essence impossible.
Why I hate them: - The game has a skill balance, a fire sale increase the skills in ALL teams - Any team selling similar players at the time of the sale gets 0 value, as we know the admin have no interest in correcting market bias. - They serve no purpose, if you are leaving, sod off, with your players, its part of how the game works.
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Post by wmchamps on Mar 8, 2012 20:06:40 GMT -5
Never thought about fire sales this way, you have really good points there Rob
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Post by smiddie on Mar 11, 2012 22:11:20 GMT -5
I disagree on this, the players he listed were freak players and they deserve to stay in the game one way or another.
By leaving with out selling the players hurts the nat teams and kills of some great young prospects.
I agree that the market was hurt due to the fire sale as most of his players if not all went under value IMO.
But most if not all of his players deserve to stay in the game as you don't get many players trained well like those and those are the players needed in this game instead of the duds people list these days.
I think managers should be able to take players off the market after listing them in these situations cause your players are most likely going to go under par, (or they should start adjusting up the prices).
Though Deltron clearly has no idea how much players are worth these days cause the keeper that was sold for 750k in that fire sale (was well under par) and i brought him for 800k few weeks back and the player was cancelled about 2 minutes after the deadline was finished due to the price being to high as they valued him at 250-500k.
He was a freak keeper at 20yrs old who would clearly be in the nat scene for a long time.
He was accomp/accomp/out with capable end, reliable fielding and experience at 20yr old (first week).
He had 7.5-8k spare ratings.
He poppedin batting, keeping in the first 2 weeks and tech popped week or 2 later, but obviously people missed that and didnt make a bid, but after they seen the pops they went to 750k during a fire sale.
I brought this up to the admin team and still am shocked i was not allowed to have him for 800k few weeks ago.
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Post by wmchamps on Mar 11, 2012 23:15:24 GMT -5
Hate it when this happens, I sympathize with u smiddie bro. Similar thing happened to me as I had a dud 17 yr old keeper who went for 100k, but the admin team readjusted his price just because the manager who bought him was going bot and gave me 1k only, ridiculous A manager makes a bid using his money, and occasionally brains. A manager should get a player no matter what he pays for him, be that 1k or 1 mil I believe price readjustment should be finished, as for fire sales, I don't mind them if the players being sold are not duds. I believe any manager who is leaving the game should sell all good players he has
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Post by r0b1et on Mar 12, 2012 5:10:01 GMT -5
I couldn't possibly disagree with you more Smiddie in just about every respect... to explain:
Firstly, who cares... yeah I said it. Secondly, how much does it hurt them? almost always it hurts several teams a little, but it brings new managers who weren't involved in the sham that is NT games into said sham, to me that's a good thing (or at least would be if NT served any form of purpose).
They are 1s and 0s! little bits of charged metal... they don't deserve anything. By being kept in the game, tha balance is sacrificed.
the wonders of balance.
if all that appears is duds, it shows that expectations are too high, nothing else.
That said, the whole transfer adjustment fiasco is there, the real issue remains large scale price fixing which is even operated by the admins and encouraged by the game owner. While that is retained, the market will be very unstable and therefore essentially impossible to police.
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Post by smiddie on Mar 13, 2012 2:36:13 GMT -5
1. Alot of people care about the Nat scene maybe not 3000+ but they is still alot of managers who do.
2. Most of those players were brought and were trained well and needed to stay in the game to give people an idea of what a good trained player looks like
3. Its not balance, its a lack of training knownledge, people train players stupid
4. Expectation are about right, if people learned to train players specially fielding, there would be alot of more players like that in the market.
I agree that listing so many players like that at once aint good for the game and the admin team should do something about it like adjust prices up alot on most if not all of them.
But i disagree those players in his side should die with him.
All that will do it sent the market back, cause other players will get the nat star who shouldnt have and cause of that the prices on those players would be increased which is unbalances anyways, and specially his AR's if he fired those, the AR prices would raise and the standard would drop...
There is already a lack of AR's in this game and we definitely needed them to stay.
PS: Capable-Reliable batting up against exceptional-WC bowlers is not an AR.
People experience what they consider collapses is cause of a lack of batting depth, With out 2 true all-rounders and a bowler who can chip in with the bat on bowler friendly pitches is asking for trouble, and even on a hard/flat pitch, they need at least 1 true AR and 1 or 2 who can chip in with the bat.
Everyone knows this game is a bowls game, and yet all people do is buff up there bowling attack which kills there batting depth which results in so called collapses.
It still annoys me when people say they lose 6 wickets for 40 runs is a collapses, when #5 and #6 make 30 of those runs, which 1 is usually a keeper, and the 5 bowlers have ordinary maybe average batting at best facing exceptional+ bowlers.
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